Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Singing Dog) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:55:41 GMT

No no no, remember the screen name? Coyotes gobble up mice like hors d'oeurves!

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Tishie) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:27:28 GMT

Silly woman. If he were a mouse, you'd be on top of a chair or table in your high heels, screeching for your husband to kill it.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Singing Dog) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:41:19 GMT

I'm way too burnt out this week to get creative. I just want to chase him around like a mouse or something.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (easstcoast) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:29:49 GMT

SD, giving trolls attention is like manna from heaven for them. Just ignore him and he'll crawl back under his rock (aka his bedroom in his mom's house)

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (bread and roses) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:27:39 GMT

Go for it, SD. *gets popcorn*

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Singing Dog) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:24:27 GMT

Can I smake the troll pleaaaaase? I've had a really rough week and he's just begging for some aggression.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (windy) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:21:52 GMT

Who says "pin money"? I mean, my grandmother, but she's not an internet troll. I don't think.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (GenXer13) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:14:14 GMT

Or maybe we'd work if we didn't get laid off.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (JG) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:49:41 GMT

This is ridiculous.

There are plenty of sit-at-homes here (or near sit-at-homes with easy, low-earning jobs).

You know what would happen if sex roles weren't forced on your husbands: You'd have to get off your fat ass and work.

You probably also know deep down inside that you don't want that. So what are you yapping about here? You get a free ride because of the "Patriarchy" - men still have their traditional roles forced on them - and you...

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (StillRobinGraves) — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:56:35 GMT

*swoons at Rajsh's feet*

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Rajsh) — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:45:32 GMT

Wait, I've changed my mind, I think we all evolved to think women with grey eyes, muddy blonde hair, and bad attitudes are incredibly sexy. You can't help it. Biology is destiny. You must worship me, I mean, them.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Rajsh) — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:42:26 GMT

No doubt. Though in the case of cheating more while ovulating, I would take a modified evolutionary tack and say it's because women are hornier then. I don't think we can doubt that on the average, our bodies generally spend a good bit of energy trying to get us to reproduce, whether we want to or not. And by "our" I mean every living species But not every individual... such a crucial distinction and one that we...

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Tishie) — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:21:37 GMT

Evolutionarily speaking, quality means women like dudes with Jaguars. Sheesh, don't you even read? Of course not, because evolutionarily you are just busy trying to find a dude to protect you and your offspring, and you want lots of offspring, right? Of course you do!!!!!! So of course women are more likely to cheat during ovulation - see? If the point is to make babies to carry on your genes, you're probably not going to do best by sticking with one dude. His sperm might not even...

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (ms chinook) — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:54:48 GMT

What makes for quality?

A friend of mine was a PhD student involved in a study that found that woman prefer different facial features at different times in their cycles - leaning to very stereotypically strong-macho faces when ovulating and more gentle/less masculine faces when not. So sleeping around may well be as programmed into women, just in a more cyclical way. I believe there was a related study done about how women are more likely to cheat during ovulation.

All...

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Tishie) — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:21:47 GMT

That's the beauty of evo-psych. It's all made up and untestable. So, we can disagree, and we're both right or wrong or whatever, but we'll never really know.

I say women are better off having a backup plan, to ensure that she and her children are protected by all of the men in the cave village or whatever we're saying "natural" humans did, and that quality and quantity are not mutually exclusive. So there!

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (easstcoast) — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:25:53 GMT

Tishie wrote: Actually, if we're going all evo-psych, it's just as advantageous for women to sleep around as it is for men, if they're going to get pregnant anyway.

I disagree. I think women are more predisposed to gravitate towards quality rather than quantity.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (bleustocking) — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:02:27 GMT

renatejns wrote: Saying that it [ending patriarchy] harms men is about like saying thieves are harmed by laws against robbery. They shouldn't be taking stuff that doesn't belong to them in the first place.

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Nobody asks a powerful person if you can buy sex from them.

Hammer. Nail. Bang.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (Tishie) — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:55:23 GMT

Actually, if we're going all evo-psych, it's just as advantageous for women to sleep around as it is for men, if they're going to get pregnant anyway.

I don't think the power in the sex business is due to sperm and who gets pregnant. It's due to centuries of women being oppressed and treated as property. It takes a hell of a lot more than a couple of generations to change that.

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (easstcoast) — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:41:50 GMT

renatejns wrote: Nobody asks a powerful person if you can buy sex from them. There's only an expectation that people without power will have sex with random people for money.

Good point.

Maybe it would be different in some Utopian world where everyone was truly equal and sex wasn't laden with so many complex elements of status, danger, shame, compulsion, vulnerability and...

Re: Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (renatejns) — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:12:38 GMT

I don't see how anybody gets harmed by ending patriarchy. Saying that it harms men is about like saying thieves are harmed by laws against robbery. They shouldn't be taking stuff that doesn't belong to them in the first place.

On the prostitution thing, I don't think it's as simple as willing buyer, willing seller. For one thing, the buyer and the seller don't have equal standing in that kind of market. For another, patriarchy is a set of power relationships...

Who will be harmed if we end the patriarchy?

feeds@yuku.com (radicalbean) — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:38:16 GMT

This is a serious question -- since it's been posed that ending the patriarchy can be harmful to some men and women (particularly men and women of color), I'd like to know what those harms are exactly.