Breaking down the personal effects of straight white male privilege

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SeekerTroll	Breaking down the personal effects of straight white male privilege	Lead	[-]
Egg Posts: 2 (07/14/08 11:08 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Hi, I'm Seeking Troll. I'm posting this to continue breaking apart some of my more subtle personal ignorance- specifically ____ privilege. I'm looking for good information on the ___ privilege in general, and if anyone has any information on overcoming it personally in specific. I'm not sure how to go about ripping out stuff lurking below my awareness for somewhere in the ballpark of the last 21 years.
Metal Prophet		#1	[-]
Molting chick Posts: 344 (07/14/08 11:15 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Go read up on your own. It's not the job of women to educate you. Go to a bookstore or a library or go online and read things written by actual feminists, not things written about actual feminists. Or sit back and absorb feminist discussion somewhere without interrupting and whatnot and you might find that enlightening, as well.
Q Grrl		#2	[-]
Big clucker Posts: 878 (07/14/08 11:17 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Can you be more specific? What exactly do you see as your privilege? A good starting point, to avoid asking women to spoonfeed you, is to google "male privilege".
SeekerTroll		#3	[-]
Egg Posts: 3 (07/14/08 11:33 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Q grrl, I've already googled male privilege, and done a bit of research on my own. But I'm asking people with whom I can have a "meaningful interaction" with rather than just static websites. Right now I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking for.... that's why I'm asking. I've already read a bit of Peggy McIntosh, as well as several lists of ___ privilege. The one thing I'm sure I'm looking for is practical information on locating parts of my own patterns of thinking/feeling influenced by ____ privilege. I'm sorry if it looks like I'm asking to be spoonfed here, but it's a big issue with lots of subtleties. One which I hope to cut down on the learning curve of by... asking those who know more about it then I do. I do find it strange that anyone would attack someone who is eager to agree more with you. I'm not unfamilar with feminist theory (I've written several papers on it and volunteer at a woman's shelter), and I'm looking for more focused resources if any exist.
windy		#4	[-]
Chickenier than thou Posts: 835 (07/14/08 11:35 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Are you Kyle Payne? Christmas Cottage
SeekerTroll		#5	[-]
Egg Posts: 5 (07/14/08 11:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have utterly no idea who Kyle Payne is. It's a good bet the answer is no ;-)
Q Grrl		#6	[-]
Big clucker Posts: 879 (07/14/08 11:57 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I guess I still don't see what you're asking. And who's attacking? Strange thing for you to say. What do you mean by focused resources? What do you mean by eager? What do you mean by practical? Personally? I recommend Nietsche and Marx as part of your building-block breakfast, but I'm not sure that you would find either of them practical.
windy		#7	[-]
Chickenier than thou Posts: 836 (07/14/08 11:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	He's a sexual predator, college, early 20s, volunteered with some sort of women's shelter, considers himself reasonably well-versed in feminist theory, and who probably has some questions about his life right now. What's your question, specifically? Life, the universe, and everything? Can't answer that. How to challenge your own self? You might be the best judge of that. Christmas Cottage
SeekerTroll		#8	[-]
Egg Posts: 6 (07/14/08 12:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've read alot of feminist theory, but virtually all of it has been basically social theory. All social constructs have their roots in indviduals. I've been looking for and failing to find any information on how to go inside yourself and locate parts of yourself influenced by "straight white male privilage." My googling has net me a dozen or so websites with basics that are helping a little bit. Let me try and be more specific: I'm looking for intelligent, well written resouces (be it academic articles, blogs, books, etc) on the general subject of white/male/straight privilage. If someone thinks they've got an insight on it no one else does (or no one else free), I'd be happy to read it. If it's about the psychological effects of said privilage, all the better. While google searching is awesome for getting some information, it's not always the way to get the best information. I'm looking for things you found interesting. The whole point here is finding me a ton of information with which to compare to my current opnions and adjust accordingly. Sidenote: A friend of mine (the chick who suggested I handle this part of my life) keeps bringing up something she refers to as "trans theory." Googling that gets me... what I'd consider poor results (or things which are very interesting but not what she described). Is this a shorthand for transfeminism? She describes it as saying, "feminism is interested in the gender binary, trans says gender is a spectrum." I'd ask her myself, but she's a camp counciler right now and busy for something like 20 hours of the day.
SeekerTroll		#9	[-]
Egg Posts: 7 (07/14/08 12:46 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Q Grrl wrote: I guess I still don't see what you're asking. And who's attacking? Strange thing for you to say. What do you mean by focused resources? What do you mean by eager? What do you mean by practical? Personally? I recommend Nietsche and Marx as part of your building-block breakfast, but I'm not sure that you would find either of them practical. I think thats the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest Nietzsche for anything relating to feminism. I'm already fairly well read in Nietzsche (I'm learning german so I can read him in his own language) but I found Victor Frankl much more practically useful. Look at my above post, it might clarify your questions a bit more. And I just kind of jumped to defensiveness when an honest request for more information was met with "go do it yourself." I've not seen that before. My bad.
Q Grrl		#10	[-]
Big clucker Posts: 880 (07/14/08 12:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	While google searching is awesome for getting some information, it's not always the way to get the best information. I'm looking for things you found interesting. Problem is, dude, many of us wrote what's out there on the nets, so it's not that we "found" anything interesting, we created it. So. Yeah. It sounds like you're navel gazing and you want a clear path cut for you by someone else. I doubt you're going to find that here (or really anywhere else). Afterall, it is your homework to do.
GenXer13		#11	[-]
Chickenier than thou Posts: 1018 (07/14/08 1:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I've been looking for and failing to find any information on how to go inside yourself and locate parts of yourself influenced by "straight white male privilage Take the red pill.
Sycamore72		#12	[-]
Posts: 2513 (07/14/08 1:06 PM) Selfish Hedonist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Trans theory relates to transgender theory, which I'm not sure has anything to do with feminism.
windy		#13	[-]
Chickenier than thou Posts: 837 (07/14/08 1:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	And I just kind of jumped to defensiveness when an honest request for more information was met with "go do it yourself." I've not seen that before. My bad. Oh, defensiveness is totally understandable. I mean, all you did was enter a discussion board that has its own READING ROOM and fail to mention whether you'd looked at the recommendations there, and ask for a tailored list of resources all about YOU (not FEMINISM). Why would any "chick" bother to question your commitment, given all that? ETA: I can never make links on this fucking thing. Here: http://thechicken.yuku.com/forums/2 Christmas Cottage Last Edited By: windy 07/14/08 1:13 PM. Edited 2 times.
Rajsh		#14	[-]
Big clucker Posts: 546 (07/14/08 1:23 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This reminds me, I was going to start a thread but never got around to it. Because you can never have too much resin: http://www.designtoscano.com/product/garden+statues/statues+of+children/in+nature%26rsquo-s+hands+angelic+baby+sculpture+-+ng30359.do http://www.designtoscano.com/product/egyptian/egyptian+statuary/egyptian+panther+goddess+sculpture++-+wu68453.do and many, many more! * * * * * gonna die with the hammer in my hand, lord lord gonna die with the hammer in my hand Last Edited By: Rajsh 07/14/08 1:46 PM. Edited 1 times.
Q Grrl		#15	[-]
Big clucker Posts: 881 (07/14/08 1:25 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	That's awesome Rajsh! My neighbor keeps letting her miniature Feist piss in my garden. With one of those angel baby hands I might be able to get the dog to focus on more appropriate targets than my hostas!
SeekerTroll		#16	[-]
Egg Posts: 8 (07/14/08 1:45 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Windy and Sycamore, thank you for being helpful. I apologize for not looking around on this site. I've got about 20 open tabs right now all of it is different misc information that relates to this on some level. I came here by searching for, specifically, a feminist message board. Again, I'm fairly certain the information I want is out there. It's just a question of finding it. I'd hoped going to a message board and asking around would be as helpful as it usually is. Nothing quite speeds up learning curves as assistance from people more knowledgeable than one's self. I think I know about what the process will be. It'll be something like; Awareness of problem (in my own thoughts/actions), massive research (what I'm doing now), Question the crap out of everything I read/hear, reintegrate myself after the bulk is done, and then fine tune catching slips for the indefinitate future. Anyway, if anyone else has anything helpful to add, please post.
Q Grrl		#17	[-]
Big clucker Posts: 882 (07/14/08 1:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's not the speed of the learning curve that's important; it's doing the work yourself that matters. You still haven't asked us any straight up questions, which makes it really hard to give you anything other than what we have. You've made vague allegations to _____ privilege, whatever the hell that means, and you seem to think we're going to just start pouring out wisdom in response to your posting, as if we owe you something just for showing up here in the first place. Nice little guilt trip you're trying to lay. Do you want your cookie before or after your homework is done? [and really, if you haven't caught the general drift of this thread yet, it's a perfect example of male privilege, but I think that's what you wanted us to say in the first place so that you could flounce around and call us meanies. Or something. I doubted your honesty from the beginning, but since you've posted numerous times on this thread and not once come up with a single concrete question, or any concrete information about yourself, I now believe that you are an ass.] Go lightly!
Itsmelance		#18	[-]
Tough chick Posts: 576 (07/14/08 1:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's some more about Kyle Payne: (Storm Lake, IA)-An arrest is made by Storm Lake Police in relation to a ten month long investigation into an assault and invasion of privacy of a Buena Vista University Student. A search warrant was executed at Pierce Hall room #B10 on April 26th of last year. Authorities seized a computer and a digital camera from 22-year-old Kyle Payne's room. A search of the Ida Grove man's car turned up photographs described as personal in nature that also showed the woman may have been assaulted physically without knowing it. A search of Payne's Ida Grove home turned up more evidence including another computer. All items were sent to the DCI Crime Lab for forensic analysis. Through investigation it was found that Payne, on January 3rd of 2007, was serving as RA for Buena Vista University when he attended to an intoxicated 18-year-old female student in her dorm room. He allegedly physically assaulted her while she was unconscious and video taped the act and downloaded the images onto his laptop. Payne was arrested at his Ida Grove home Wednesday and charged with 2nd degree burglary, a class C felony, invasion of privacy, and assault. He was taken to Buena Vista County Jail and booked on an $11,300 cash bond. Those assisting with the investigation include the Buena Vista University Security Department, Buena Vista County Attorney's Office, and Mercy Child Advocacy Center.
easstcoast		#19	[-]
Tell Tishie your custom level! Posts: 1659 (07/14/08 1:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	1) Awareness of problem (in my own thoughts/actions). 2) massive research (what I'm doing now). 3) Question the crap out of everything I read/hear. 4) reintegrate myself after the bulk is done. 5) and then fine tune catching slips for the indefinite future. 6) wash 7) rinse 8 ) repeat
Char25		#20	[-]
Posts: 3161 (07/14/08 2:14 PM) I have two secret crushes! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	GenXer13 wrote: Take the red pill. But there is no spoon.